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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 14:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consciousness, as we&#8217;ve noted before, is a most interdisciplinary topic, and besides the neurologists, the philosophers, the AI people, the psychologists and so on, the novelists have also, in their rigourless way, delved deep into the matter. Ever since the James boys (William and Henry) started their twin-track investigation there has been an intermittent interchange [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Lorenzo.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1419" alt="Lorenzo" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Lorenzo.gif" width="250" height="237" /></a>Consciousness, as we&#8217;ve noted before, is a most interdisciplinary topic, and besides the neurologists, the philosophers, the AI people, the psychologists and so on, the novelists have also, in their rigourless way, delved deep into the matter. Ever since the James boys (William and Henry) started their twin-track investigation there has been an intermittent interchange between the arts and the sciences. Academics like Dan Lloyd have written novels, novelists like our friend Scott Bakker have turned their hand to serious theory.</p>
<p>Recently we seem to have had a new genre of invented brain science. We could include Ian McEwan&#8217;s fake paper on De Clerambault syndrome, appended to <em>Enduring Love</em>; recently Sebastian Faulks gave us Glockner&#8217;s Isthmus; now, in his new novel<em> A Box of Birds</em> Charles Fernyhough gives us the Lorenzo Circuit.</p>
<p>The Lorenzo Circuit is a supposed structure which pulls together items from various parts of the brain and uses them to constitute memories. It&#8217;s sort of assumed that the same function thereby provides consciousness and the sense of self. Since it seems unlikely that a distinct brain structure could have escaped notice this long, we must take it that the Lorenzo is a relatively subtle feature of the connectome, only identifiable through advanced scanning techniques. The Lycée, which despite its name seems to be an English university, has succeeded in mapping the circuit in detail, while Sansom, one of those large malevolent corporate entities that crop up in thrillers, has developed new electrode technology which allows safe and detailed long-term interference with neurons. It&#8217;s obvious to everyone that if brought together these two discoveries would provide a potent new technology; a cure for Alzheimer&#8217;s is what seems to be at the forefront of everyone&#8217;s minds, though I would have thought there were far wilder and more exciting possibilities. The story revolves around the narrator, Dr Yvonne Churcher, an academic at the Lycée, and two of her undergraduate students, Gareth and James.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I didn&#8217;t rate the book all that highly as a novel. The plot is put together out of slightly corny thrillerish elements and seems a bit loosely managed. I didn&#8217;t like the characters much either. Yvonne seems to be putty in the hands of her students, letting Gareth steal the Lycée&#8217;s crucial research without seeming to hold the betrayal of her trust against him at all, and being readily seduced by the negligent James, a nonsense-talking cult member who calls her &#8216;babe&#8217; (ack!). I&#8217;ve seen Gareth described as a &#8220;brilliant&#8221; character in reviews elsewhere, but sadly not much brilliance seems to be on offer. In fact to be brutal he seemed to me quite a convincing depiction of the kind of student who sits at the back of lectures chuckling to himself for no obvious reason and ultimately requires pastoral intervention. Apart from nicking other people&#8217;s theories and data, his ideas seem to consist of a metaphor from Plato, which he interprets with dismal literalism.</p>
<p>This metaphor is the birds thing that provides the title and up to a point, the theme of the book. In the Theaetetus, Plato makes a point about how we can possess knowledge without having it actually in our consciousness by comparing it to owning an aviary of birds without having them actually in your hand. In Plato&#8217;s version there&#8217;s no doubt that there&#8217;s a man in the aviary who chooses the birds to catch; here I think the idea is more that he flocking and movement of the birds itself produces higher-level organisation analogous to conscious memory.</p>
<p>Yvonne is a pretty resolute sceptic about her own selfhood; she can&#8217;t see that she is anything beyond the chance neurochemical events which sweep through her brain. This might indeed explain her apparent passivity and the way she seems to drift through even the most alarming and hare-brained adventures, though if so it&#8217;s a salutary warning about the damaging potential of overdosing on materialism. Overall the book alludes to more issues than it really discusses, and gives us little side treats like a person whose existence turns out to be no more than a kind of narrative convention; perhaps it&#8217;s best approached as a potential thought provoker rather than the adumbration of a single settled theory; not necessarily a bad thing for a book to be.</p>
<p>Yvonne&#8217;s scepticism did cause me to realise that I was actually rather hazy on the subject; what is it that people who deny the self are actually denying, and are they all denying the same thing? There are actually quite a few options.</p>
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<li>I think all self-sceptics want to deny the existence of the traditional immaterial soul, and for some that may really be about all. (To digress a bit, there are actually caverns below us at this point which have not been explored for thousands of years, if ever: if we were ancient Egyptians, with their complex ontology of multiple souls, we should have a large range of sceptical permutations available; denying the ba while affirming the khaibit, say. Our simpler culture, perhaps mercifully, does not offer us such a range of refinedly esoteric entities in which to disbelieve, but those of a philosophical temperament may be inclined to cast a regretful glance towards those profoundly obscure imaginary galleries.)</li>
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<li>Some may want to deny any sense, or feeling, of self; like Hume they see only a bundle of sensations when they look inside themselves. I think there is arguably a quale of the self; but these people would not accept it.</li>
<li>Others, by contrast, would affirm that the sense of self is vivid, just not veridical. We think there&#8217;s a self, but there&#8217;s nothing actually there. There&#8217;s scope for an interesting discussion about what would have to be there in order to prove them wrong &#8211; or whether having the sense of self itself constitutes the self.</li>
<li>Some would say that there is indeed &#8216;something&#8217; there; it just isn&#8217;t what we think it is. For example, there might indeed be a centre of experience, but an epiphenomenal one; a self who has no influence on events but is in reality just along for the ride.</li>
<li>Logically I suppose we could invert that to have a self that really did make the decisions, but was deluded about having any experiences. I don&#8217;t think that would be a popular option, though.</li>
<li>Some would make the self a purely social construct, a matter of legal and moral rights and privileges, a conception simply grafted on to an animal which in itself, or by itself, would lack it.</li>
<li>Some would deny only that the self provides a break in the natural chain of cause and effect. We are not really the origin of anything, they would say, and our impression of being a freely willing being is mistaken.</li>
<li>Some radical sceptics would deny that even the body has any particular selfhood; over time every part of it changes and to assert that I am the same self as the person of twenty years ago makes no sense.</li>
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<p>As someone who, on the whole, prefers to look for a tenable account of the reality of the self, the richness of the sceptical repertoire makes me feel rather unimaginative.</p>
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		<title>CEMI and meaning</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 15:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johnjoe McFadden has followed up the paper on his conscious electromagnetic information (CEMI) field which we discussed recently with another in the JCS &#8211; it&#8217;s also featured on MLU, where you can access a copy. This time he boldly sets out to tackle the intractable enigma of meaning. Well, actually, he says his aims are [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/binding.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1414" alt="binding" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/binding.gif" width="200" height="500" /></a>Johnjoe McFadden has followed up the paper on his conscious electromagnetic information (CEMI) field which we <a title="CEMI Vindicated" href="http://www.consciousentities.com/?p=1356" target="_blank">discussed recently</a> with another in the JCS &#8211; it&#8217;s also featured on <a href="http://machineslikeus.com/news/cemi-field-theory-gestalt-information-and-meaning-meaning" target="_blank">MLU</a>, where you can access a copy.</p>
<p>This time he boldly sets out to tackle the intractable enigma of meaning. Well, actually, he says his aims are more modest; he believes there is a separate binding problem which affects meaning and he wants to show how the CEMI field offers the best way of resolving it. I think the problem of meaning is one of those issues it&#8217;s difficult to sidle up to; once you&#8217;ve gone into the dragon&#8217;s lair you tend to have to fight the beast even if all you set out to do was trim its claws; and I think McFadden is perhaps drawn into offering a bit more than he promises; nothing wrong with that, of course.</p>
<p>Why then, does McFadden suppose there is a binding problem for meaning? The original binding problem is to do with perception. All sorts of impulses come into our heads through different senses and get processed in different ways in different places and different speeds. Yet somehow out of these chaotic inputs the mind binds together a beautifully coherent sense of what is going on, everything matching and running smoothly with no lags or failures of lip-synch. This smoothly co-ordinated experience is robust, too; it&#8217;s not easy to trip it up in the way optical illusions so readily derail up our visual processes. How is this feat pulled off? There are a range of answers on offer, including global workspaces and suggestions that the whole thing is a misconceived pseudo-problem; but I&#8217;ve never previously come across the suggestion that meaning suffers a similar issue.</p>
<p>McFadden says he wants to talk about the <em>phenomenology</em> of meaning. After sitting quietly and thinking about it for some time, I&#8217;m not at all sure, on the basis of introspection, that meaning has any phenomenology of its own, though no doubt when we mean things there is usually some accompanying phenomenology going on. Is there something it is like to mean something? What these perplexing words seem to portend is that McFadden, in making his case for the binding problem of meaning, is actually going to stick quite closely with perception. There is clearly a risk that he will end up talking about perception; and perception and meaning are not at all the same. For one thing the &#8216;direction of fit&#8217; is surely different; to put it crudely, perception is primarily about the world impinging on me, whereas meaning is about me pointing at the world.</p>
<p>McFadden gives five points about meaning. The first is <em>unity</em>; when we mean a chair, we mean the whole thing, not its parts. That&#8217;s true, but why is it problematic? McFadden talks about how the brain deals with impossible triangles and sees words rather than collections of letters, but that&#8217;s all about perception; I&#8217;m left not seeing the problem so far as meaning goes. The second point is <em>context-dependence</em>. McFadden quite rightly points out that meaning is highly context sensitive and that the same sequence of letters can mean different things on different occasions. That is indeed an interesting property of meaning; but he goes on to talk about how meanings are perceived, and how, for example, the meaning of &#8220;ball&#8221; influences the way we perceive the characters 3ALL. Again we&#8217;ve slid into talking about perception.</p>
<p>With the third point, I think we fare a bit better; this is <em>compression</em>, the way complex meanings can be grasped in a flash. If we think of a symphony, we think, in a sense, of thousands of notes that occur over a lengthy period, but it takes us no time at all. This is true, and it does point to some issue around parts and wholes, but I don&#8217;t think it quite establishes McFadden&#8217;s point. For there to be a binding problem, we&#8217;d need to be in a position where we had to start with meaning all the notes separately and then triumphantly bind them together in order to mean the symphony as a whole &#8211; or something of that kind, at any rate. It doesn&#8217;t work like that; I can easily mean Mahler&#8217;s eighth symphony (see, I just did it), of whose notes I know nothing, or his twelfth, which doesn&#8217;t even exist.</p>
<p>Fourth is <em>emergence</em>: the whole is more than the sum of its parts. The properties of a triangle are not just the properties of the lines that make it up. Again, it&#8217;s true, but the influence of perception is creeping in; when we see a triangle we know our brain identifies the lines, but we don&#8217;t know that in the case of <em>meaning</em> a triangle we need at any stage to mean the separate lines &#8211; and in fact that doesn&#8217;t seem highly plausible. The fifth and last point is interdependence: changing part of an object may change the percept of the whole, or I suppose we should be saying, the meaning. It&#8217;s quite true that changing a few letters in a text can drastically change its meaning, for example. But again I don&#8217;t see how that involves us in a binding problem. I think McFadden is typically thinking of a situation where we ask ourselves &#8216;what&#8217;s the meaning of this diagram?&#8217; &#8211; but that kind of example invites us to think about perception more than meaning.</p>
<p>In short, I&#8217;m not convinced that there is a separate binding problem affecting meaning, though McFadden&#8217;s observations shed some interesting lights on the old original issue. He does go on to offer us a coherent view of meaning in general. He picks up a distinction between intrinsic and extrinsic information. Extrinsic information is encoded or symbolised according to arbitrary conventions &#8211; it sort of corresponds with <em>derived</em> intentionality &#8211; so a word, for example, is extrinsic information about the thing it names. Intrinsic information is the real root of the matter and it embodies some features of the thing represented. McFadden gives the following definition.</p>
<blockquote><p>Intrinsic information exists whenever aspects of the physical relationships that exist between the parts of an object are preserved – either in the original object or its representation.</p></blockquote>
<p>So the word &#8220;car&#8221; is extrinsic and tells you nothing unless you can read English. A model of a car, or a drawing, has intrinsic information because it reproduces some of the relations between parts that apply in the real thing, and even aliens would be able to tell something about a car from it (or so McFadden claims). It follows that for meaning to exist in the brain there must be &#8216;models&#8217; of this kind somewhere. (McFadden allows a little bit of wiggle room; we can express dimensions as weights, say, so long as the relationships are preserved, but in essence the whole thing is grounded in what some others might call &#8216;iconic&#8217; representation. ) Where could that be? The obvious place to look is in the neurons. but although McFadden allows that firing rates in a pattern of neurons could carry the information, he doesn&#8217;t see how they can be brought together: step forward the CEMI field (though as I said previously I don&#8217;t really understand why the field doesn&#8217;t just smoosh everything together in an unhelpful way).</p>
<p>The overall framework here is sensible and it clearly fits with the rest of the theory; but there are two fatal problems for me. The first is that, as discussed above, I don&#8217;t think McFadden succeeds in making the case for a separate binding problem of meaning, getting dragged back by the gravitational pull of perception. We have the original binding problem because we know perception starts with a jigsaw kit of different elements and produces a slick unity, whereas all the worries about parts seem unmotivated when it comes to meaning. If there&#8217;s no new binding problem of meaning, then the appeal of CEMI as a means of solving it is obviously limited.</p>
<p>The second problem is that his account of meaning doesn&#8217;t really cut the mustard. This is unfair, because he never said he was going to solve the whole problem of meaning, but if this part of the theory is weak it inevitably damages the rest.  The problem is that representations that work because they have some of the properties of the real thing, don&#8217;t really work.  For one thing a glance at the definition above shows it is inherently limited to things with parts that have a physical relationship. We can&#8217;t deal with abstractions at all. If I tell you I know why I&#8217;m writing this, and you ask me what I mean, I can&#8217;t tell you I mean my desire for understanding, because my desire for understanding does not have parts with a physical relationship, and there cannot therefore be intrinsic information about it.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t even work for physical objects. McFadden&#8217;s version of intrinsic information would require that when I think &#8216;car&#8217; it&#8217;s represented as a specific shape and size. In discussing optical illusions he concedes at a late stage that it would be an &#8216;idealised&#8217; car (that idealisation sounds problematic in itself); but I can mean &#8216;car&#8217; without meaning anything ideal or particular at all. By &#8216;car&#8217; I can in fact mean a flying vehicle with no wheels made of butter and one centimetre long  (that tiny midge is going to regret settling in my butter dish as he takes his car ride into the bin of oblivion courtesy of a flick from my butter knife), something that does not in any way share parts with physical relationships which are the same as any of those applying to the big metal thing in the garage.</p>
<p>Attacking that flank, as I say, probably is a little unfair. I don&#8217;t think the CEMI theory is going to get new oomph from the problems of meaning, but anyone who puts forward a new line of attack on any aspect of that intractable issue deserves our gratitude.</p>
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		<title>Are Babies Conscious?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 15:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably, according to a new paper  by Sid Kouider et al. Babies can&#8217;t report their own mental states, so they can&#8217;t confirm it for us explicitly: and new-borns are regarded by the medical profession as unknowing bags of instinct and reflex, with fond mothers quite deluded in thinking their brand-new offspring recognises anything or smiles [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/sleeping-baby.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1408" alt="sleeping baby" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/sleeping-baby.gif" width="250" height="149" /></a>Probably, according to a new <a title="Markers of consciousness in babies" href="http://www.lscp.net/persons/sidk/publi/Kouider-et-al_Science_2013.pdf" target="_blank">paper</a>  by Sid Kouider et al. Babies can&#8217;t report their own mental states, so they can&#8217;t confirm it for us explicitly: and new-borns are regarded by the medical profession as unknowing bags of instinct and reflex, with fond mothers quite deluded in thinking their brand-new offspring recognises anything or smiles at them (it&#8217;s just wind, or some random muscular grimace). However Kouider and his associates tracked ERPs (event-related potentials) in the brains of infants at 5, 12, and 15 months and found responses similar to those of adults, albeit slower and weaker, especially in the younger babies. So although few babies are able to pull off the legendary feat of St Nicholas, who apparently uttered a perfectly-articulated prayer immediately on emerging from the womb, they are probably more aware than we may have thought.</p>
<p>Kouider has a bit of form on consciousness: last year<a title="TiCS" href="http://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/home" target="_blank"><em> Trends in Cognitive Sciences</em></a> carried a dialogue between him and Ned Block. This arose out of a<a href="http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/Block_Overflow.pdf" target="_blank"> claim</a> by Block that classic experiments by Sperling support the richness of phenomenal consciousness as compared with access consciousness. Block is probably best known for introducing the distinction between phenomenal, or p-consciousness, and access, or a-consciousness, into philosophy of mind. Roughly speaking, we can say that p-consciousness is Hard Problem consciousness, to do with our subjective experience, and a-consciousness is Easy Problem consciousness, the kind that plays a functional role in decision-making and so on.</p>
<p>Sperling, some fifty years ago, showed that subjects shown an array of letters could report only 3 or 4 of them; but when cued to think of a particular line, they were able to report 3 or 4 from that line. They must therefore have had some image of more of the array &#8211; probably the whole array &#8211; than 3 or 4 items, but could only ever report that many.</p>
<p>Block&#8217;s analysis is that the whole array was in phenomenal consciousness, but access consciousness could only ever get 3 to 4 items from it. This is apparently supported by what test subjects tended to say: they often claimed to be conscious of the whole array at the time but not able to recall more than a few of the items (although the Sperling experiments show they could report the quota of items afterwards from <em>any row</em>, indicating that the problem was not really with recall but with access).</p>
<p>Kouider, among others, rejected this view, suggesting instead that the full array is retained, not in phenomenal consciousness, but in unconscious storage. In his view it&#8217;s not necessary to invoke phenomenal consciousness, which is an unverifiable addition which we&#8217;re better off without. The subjects&#8217; feeling that they had been aware of the whole array can be attributed to a sort of illusion; you don&#8217;t notice the absence of things you&#8217;re not aware of, any more than you can see whether the refrigerator light goes off when the door is closed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tempting to think that the dispute is at least aggravated by terminology; everyone agrees that information about the array is retained mentally in a place other than the active forefront of the mind; isn&#8217;t the argument merely about whether we call that place phenomenal or un- conscious? That doesn&#8217;t seem altogether satisfactory, though, if we take phenomenal consciousness seriously &#8211; we are talking about whether the subjects are right or wrong about the contents of their own consciousness, which seems to be a matter of substance. I wonder though, whether there is some unhelpful reification going on &#8211; are phenomenal consciousness and the unconscious really two &#8216;places&#8217;? Is it really more a matter of retaining information phenomenally or unconsciously? That might be a slightly more promising perspective, although I also think that mental states are generally a trackless swamp and a dispute with only two alternatives may actually be underselling the problem (could it be kept both unconsciously and phenomenally? Could it be not unconsciously but subconsciously? Could the route from unconscious storage to access consciousness lead via phenomenal consciousness?)</p>
<p>So what about the babies? Is it possible that we are again in an area where what we mean by &#8216;conscious&#8217; and the way we carve things conceptually is half the problem? It does look a bit like it.</p>
<p>After all (and my apologies to any readers who may have been grinding their teeth in frustration) babies are <em>obviously</em> conscious, aren&#8217;t they? The difference between a sleeping baby and one that is awake (which for some common sense values, equals &#8216;conscious&#8217;) is far too salient for any parent to overlook. On the other hand, do babies soliloquise internally? Equally obviously, no, because they don&#8217;t have the words to do it with.</p>
<p>But Kouider et al do make it fairly clear that they are specifically concerned with perception, and they make only sensible claims, noting that their results might be relevant, for example, to questions of infant anaesthesia (although it may be difficult to keep the can of phenomenal worms fully sealed on that issue). It is interesting to note the gradual development in speed and intensity which they have uncovered, but by and large I think common sense has been vindicated.</p>
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		<title>Bats without evolution &#8211; pt 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 16:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what about Nagel&#8217;s three big issues with materialism? On consciousness the basic argument is simply that our inner experience is just inaccessible to science. We still can&#8217;t get inside the heads of those bats, and we can&#8217;t really get inside anyone&#8217;s except the one we have direct experience of &#8211; our own. Nagel briefly [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/NagelL.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1401" alt="NagelL" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/NagelL.gif" width="250" height="295" /></a>So what about Nagel&#8217;s three big issues with materialism?</p>
<p>On consciousness the basic argument is simply that our inner experience is just inaccessible to science. We still can&#8217;t get inside the heads of those bats, and we can&#8217;t really get inside anyone&#8217;s except the one we have direct experience of &#8211; our own. Nagel briefly considers the history of the problem and the theory of psychophysical identity put forward by Place and Smart, but nothing in that line satisfies him, and I think it&#8217;s clear that nothing of the kind could, because nothing can take away the option of saying &#8220;yes, that&#8217;s all very well, but it doesn&#8217;t cover this here, this current experience of mine&#8221;. Interestingly, Nagel says he actually suspects the connection between mental and physical is not in fact contingent, but the result of a deep connection which unfortunately is obscured by our current conceptual framework; so given a revolution in that framework he seems to allow that psychophysical identity could after all be seen to be true. I&#8217;m surprised by that because it seems to me that Nagel is in a place beyond the reach of any conceptual rearrangement (that cuts both ways &#8211; Nagel can&#8217;t be drawn out by argument, but equally if someone were simply to deny there is &#8220;something it is like&#8221; to see red, I don&#8217;t think Nagel would have anything further to say to them either); but perhaps we should feel very faintly encouraged.</p>
<p>At any rate, Nagel argues (and few will resist) that if consciousness is indeed physically inexplicable in this way the problem cannot be sealed off in the mind; it must creep out and infect our ideas about everything, because we have to give accounts of how consciousness evolved, and how it fits into our notions of physical reality. The answer to that in short is of course that as far as Nagel is concerned it can&#8217;t be done, but getting there through his review of the possibilities is quite a ride.</p>
<p>Cognition is the second problem, and somewhat unexpected: that&#8217;s supposed to be the Easy Problem, isn&#8217;t it? Nagel draws a distinction between the simple kind of reactions which relate directly to survival and the more foresighted and detached general cognition which he sees as more or less limited to human beings. He doubts that the latter is a natural product of simple evolution, which sort of echoes the doubts of Wallace, the co-discoverer of Darwin&#8217;s theory; in later life he took the view that evolution could not explain the human mind because cavemen simply didn&#8217;t need to be that bright and would not have been under evolutionary pressure to spend energy on such massive intellectual capacity.</p>
<p>Nagel sees a distinction between faculties like sight, and that of reason. Our eyes present us with information about the world; we know it may be wrong now and then, but we&#8217;re rationally able to trust our vision because we know how it works and we know that evolution has equipped us with visual systems that pick up things relevant to our survival.</p>
<p>Our reasoning powers are different. We need them in order to justify anything to ourselves; but we can&#8217;t use them to validate themselves without circularity. It&#8217;s no good saying our reason must be serviceable because otherwise evolution wouldn&#8217;t have produced it, because we need to use our reason to get to belief in evolution. In short, our faith in our own cognitive powers must and does rely on something else, something of which a separate, non-evolutionary account must be given.<br />
There&#8217;s something odd about this line of argument. Do we really look to evolution to <em>validate</em> our abilities? I have a liver thanks to evolution, but its splendid functional abilities are explained in another realm, that of biochemistry. I don&#8217;t think we trust our eyes <i>because</i> of evolution (people found reasons to believe their eyes before Darwin came along). So yes, our cognitive abilities do, on one level, need to be understood in terms of an explanatory realm separate from evolutionary theory &#8211; one that has to do with logic, induction, and other less formal processes. It&#8217;s also true that we haven&#8217;t yet got a full and agreed account of how all that works &#8211; although, you know, we have a few ideas.</p>
<p>But surely not even the most radical evolutionary theorists claim that the theory validates our powers of reasoning &#8211; it simply explains how we got them. If Nagel merely wants to remind us that the &#8216;easy&#8217; problem still exists, well and good &#8211; but that&#8217;s not much of a hit against materialism, still less evolution.<br />
The third big problem is &#8216;value&#8217;&#8221; a term which here confusingly covers three distinct things: first, the target for Nagel&#8217;s teleological theory &#8211; the thing the cosmos hypothetically seeks to maximise; second, the general quality of the desiderata we all seek (food, shelter, sex, etc); third, the general object of ethics, somewhat in the sense that people talk about &#8220;our values&#8221;. These three things may well be linked, but they are not, prima facie, identical. However Nagel wants to sweep them all up in a general concept of something loosely motivating which is absent from the standard materialist accountHe quotes with approval an argument by Sharon Street about moral realism, with the small proviso that he wants to reverse it.</p>
<p>Street&#8217;s argument is complex, but the twice-summarised gist appears to be that &#8216;value&#8217; as something with a real existence in a realm of its own is incompatible with evolution because evolution happens in the real material world and could not be affected by it. Street draws the conclusion that since evolution is true, moral realism in this sense is false, whereas Nagel concludes that since moral realism is just evidently true, evolution can&#8217;t be quite right.<br />
Myself I see no need to bring evolution into it. If moral value exists in a realm separate from material events, it can&#8217;t affect our material behaviour, so we have an immediate radical problem already, long before we need to start worrying about such matters as the longer-term history of life on earth.<br />
I said that I think &#8216;value&#8217; is actually three things, and I think we need three different answers. First, yes, we need an account of our drives and motivations. But I feel pretty confident that that can be delivered in a standard materialist framework; if we lay aside the special problems around conscious motivation I would even venture to say that I don&#8217;t see a huge problem; we can already account pretty well for a lot of &#8216;value&#8217; driven behaviour, from tropisms in plants up through reflexes and instincts, to at least an outline idea of quirte complex behaviours. Second, yes, we also need an account of moral agency; and I think Nagel is right to make a linkage with philosophy of mind and consciousness. This is a large subject in itself; it could be that morality turns out in the end to need a special realm of its own which gives rise to problems for materialism, but Nagel says nothing that persuades me that is so, and things look far more promising and less problematic in the opposite direction. Finally, we have the fuel for Nagel&#8217;s teleology; not wanted at all, in my view: an unnecessary ontological commitment which buys us nothing we want in the way of insight or explanation.<br />
To sum up; this has been a pretty negative account. I think Nagel consistently overstates the claims of evolution and so ends up fighting some straw men. He doesn&#8217;t have a developed positive case to offer; what he does suggest is unattractive, and I must admit that I think in the end his negative arguments are mainly mistaken. He does articulate some of the remaining problems for materialism, and he does put some fresh points, which is a worthy achievement. I sympathise with his view that evolutionary arguments have at times been misapplied, and I admire his boldness in swimming against the tide. I do think the book is likely to become a landmark, a defining statement of the anti-materialist case. However, that case doesn&#8217;t, in my opinion, come out of it looking very good, and by associating it so strongly with misplaced anti-evolutionary sentiment, Nagel may possibly have done it more harm than good.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas Nagel is one of the panjandrums of consciousness, author of the classic paper &#8216;What Is It Like To Be A Bat&#8217; and so a champion of qualia; but also an important figure in inspiring the Mysterian school of pessimism. Now he has inspired new controversy with his book &#8216;Mind and Cosmos: Why The Materialist [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Nagel.gif"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1370" alt="Nagel" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Nagel.gif" width="250" height="295" /></a>Thomas Nagel is one of the panjandrums of consciousness, author of the classic paper &#8216;What Is It Like To Be A Bat&#8217; and so a champion of qualia; but also an important figure in inspiring the Mysterian school of pessimism.</p>
<p>Now he has inspired new controversy with his book &#8216;Mind and Cosmos: Why The Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False.&#8217; Probably the part of the book which has elicited the most negative reaction is the doubts Nagel expresses about evolution itself, or rather about the currently accepted view of it. It&#8217;s not that Nagel disbelieves in evolution per se, but he thinks there are important gaps in its account; in particular he doesn&#8217;t think it accounts satisfactorily for the origin of life, or for the availability of the large range of living forms on which natural selection has worked. He is not endorsing Intelligent Design but he thinks some of its proponents have arguments which deserve a wider and more sympathetic readership.</p>
<p>That does seem a bit alarming. It&#8217;s true, I think, that we don&#8217;t yet have a full and convincing story of how life came out of inert chemistry. I&#8217;d also agree that some of the theories put forward in the past &#8211; like the naked replicators championed by Richard Dawkins in the Selfish Gene &#8211; look a bit sketchy and optimistic. But none of that would stop me putting my money on the true story being a fully materialist one in which Darwinian evolution plays an early and crucial role. Nagel&#8217;s second problem, with the way nature seems to have provided a remarkable fund of variation in organisms, of a kind which lent itself to the emergence of sophisticated organisms, just seems misconceived. He offers no statistical analysis or other reasoning as to why the standard account is unlikely, just mere incredulity. It seems amazing that that could have happened; well yes, it does, but then it also seems amazing that we&#8217;re sitting on a huge oblate spheroid which is rotating and orbiting round an even vaster sphere of terrifying thermonuclear activity; but there it is.</p>
<p>The real problem is that Nagel wants these doubts (together with some more specific objections to standard materialism) to justify a large metaphysical change in our conception of the whole cosmos. His book professes only to offer tentative and inadequately imaginative speculations, and the discussion is largely at a meta-theoretical level &#8211; he isn&#8217;t telling us what he thinks is the case, he&#8217;s discussing the kinds of theory that could in principle be advocated &#8211; but it&#8217;s clear enough what kind of theory he would prefer to reductive materialism. What he leans towards is a teleological theory; one in which some underlying principle drives the world towards a particular goal. He does not want this to be an intentional goal; he does not want God in the picture or any other Designer; rather he wants there to be a natural push towards value; value being conceived as a sort of goodness or moral utility, although this part of the speculative potential theory clearly needs development.</p>
<p>Nagel&#8217;s critique of evolution may seem alarmingly misplaced, but the idea of introducing teleology to fill the gaps seems really astonishing. What, we&#8217;re going to abandon the idea that DNA came together through natural selection and say instead that it came together because it sort of wanted to or was sort of meant to? The history of science has been a history of driving out teleological explanations &#8211; and the reason that represents progress is that teleological explanations are just not very good; they are usually vacuous and provide no real insight or predictive power.</p>
<p>In some ways what Nagel is after seems like an inverted law of entropy. Instead of things running down and tending to disorder, he wants there to be something built into the cosmos that shoves things towards elaboration, complexity, and indeed self-awareness (he positions the evolution of human consciousness as a peak of the process, and likens it to the Universe waking up). In itself that vision is quite appealling, but Nagel wants it to be driven by the worst kind of teleology.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the official ontological status of the law of entropy is &#8211; it could be a meta-law which says the laws of nature must be such that entropy always increases, or it could be something that emerges from those laws (perhaps from any viable set of laws) &#8211; but it is definitely fully compatible with the rest of physics. If Nagel&#8217;s new teleology worked like this, it might be viable, but he actually supposes it is going to have to discreetly intervene at some point and turn events in a direction other than the one mere physics would have dictated. This seems a disastrous requirement. If there&#8217;s one thing the whole weight of science goes to prove, it&#8217;s that the laws of physics are not intermittent or interruptable; every experiment ever conducted has contributed evidence that they are consistent and complete. Yes, there are some places in quantum physics or wherever where some might hope to smuggle in a bit of jiggery-pokery, but I think on examination even these recondite areas offer no real hope of a loophole.</p>
<p>This is a general issue with Nagel&#8217;s case. We can sympathise with the view that evolution is not a Theory of Everything, but the other theories we need should be compatible with the broadly materialist world view which, despite some problems, is really the only fully-worked out one we&#8217;ve got: but Nagel hankers after something stranger and thinner.</p>
<p>What about those other theories? Nagel isn&#8217;t basing his argument simply on his doubts about evolution; he has three places in which he thinks the standard materialist view is just not adequate. Consciousness, unsurprisingly, is one; cognitive thought, more unexpectedly, is another; and the third is his concept of value. In the next post let&#8217;s consider what he has to say about each.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 16:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A quick mention for an interesting piece in the NYT reviewing reader&#8217;s opinions on two of the most famous arguments about qualia, all in the sensible hands of Gary Gutting, professor of philosophy at the University of Notre Dame. Also worth a look is this essay considering the history of ideas about animal consciousness, leading [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/correspondent.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1061" alt="correspondent" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/correspondent.gif" width="200" height="188" /></a>A quick mention for an interesting <a title="Mary and the Zombies" href="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/22/mary-and-the-zombies-consciousness-revisited/" target="_blank">piece </a>in the NYT reviewing reader&#8217;s opinions on two of the most famous arguments about qualia, all in the sensible hands of Gary Gutting, professor of philosophy at the University of Notre Dame.</p>
<p>Also worth a look is <a href="http://www.laphamsquarterly.org/essays/one-of-us.php?page=all" target="_blank">this essay</a> considering the history of ideas about animal consciousness, leading up to a favourable mention for Thomas Nagel and his seminal paper on <em>What Is It Like To Be A Bat</em> &#8211; more on Nagel and his recent book very soon.</p>
<p>If you missed it I also recommend a look at Scott Bakker&#8217;s <a href="http://rsbakker.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/reengineering-dennett-intentionality-and-the-curse-of-dimensionality/" target="_blank">post</a> on<em> Reengineering Dennett: Intentionality and the Curse of Dimensionality.</em></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So it turns out consciousness really is an electric buzz around the brain. JohnJoe McFadden claims his conscious electromagnetic field information (CEMI) theory &#8211; which says that consciousness lies in the brain&#8217;s electromagnetic field &#8211; has now been borne out by a number of recent research findings. His paper is in the JCS, but a [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/frog.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1357" alt="frog" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/frog.gif" width="250" height="171" /></a>So it turns out consciousness really is an electric buzz around the brain.</p>
<p><a href="http://www3.surrey.ac.uk/qe/" target="_blank">JohnJoe McFadden</a> claims his conscious electromagnetic field information (CEMI) theory &#8211; which says that consciousness lies in the brain&#8217;s electromagnetic field &#8211; has now been borne out by a number of recent research findings. His paper is in the JCS, but a pdf can be accessed at <a href="http://machineslikeus.com/news/cemi-field-theory-closing-loop" target="_blank">Machines Like Us</a>. We first discussed the <a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/mcfadden.htm" target="_blank">CEMI theory</a> eight years ago (can it really be that long?).</p>
<p>The case for CEMI is based in turn on the idea that synchronous neural firing can be shown to correlate with conscious awareness. Others have thought that lots of neurons firing in harmony at the right frequencies might be important of course; but the CEMI theory explains why it should be important by suggesting that synchronous firing produces effects in the endogenous magnetic field, which unsynchronised activity does not. If registering in that field is taken to be the same as presentation to consciousness we have a neat account of the phenomenon.</p>
<p>The first of the new studies quoted by McFadden, by Fujisawa et al, showed that fields of the kind generated by gamma oscillations in a slice of rat hippocampus affected the neuronal firing pattern. This demonstrates that neurons can influence each other significantly by electromagnetic means quite separate from &#8216;normal&#8217; synaptic activity. The second, by Frohlich and McCormick, showed broadly similar influences of electromagnetic fields in the visual cortex of ferrets, supporting the claim that the endogenous fields provide a positive feedback loop that helps set up oscillatory networks. The third is research by Anastassiou et al which showed that neurons could influence each other through electric field effects: we <a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/?p=742" target="_blank">discussed</a> this &#8216;ephaptic coupling&#8217; and pointed out its relevance to McFadden a couple of years ago (you read it here first, folks!).</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s the evidence; what does it actually mean? I think McFadden is right to claim that the evidence for electromagnetic field effects on neuron firing is now too strong to ignore. At a minimum, it&#8217;s something brain simulations will need to take into account. It&#8217;s likely, moreover, that rather than simply being a nuisance factor, it actually plays some functional role in how networks of neurons are recruited and operate together. Anything more?  McFadden suggests it may solve the binding problem; I&#8217;m not so sure. The binding problem is essentially the question of how information flows from different senses, processed at different speeds, with lags and gaps, somehow manage to end up in a smoothly coherent perception of reality with no jumps or lip-synch problems. Solving that problem may well involve bringing the activity of different neural assemblies together, but to me it&#8217;s not clear how field effects could do anything other than smoosh all the inputs together, which is almost the opposite of what we want.</p>
<p>Speculatively McFadden suggests the EM field might be doing <em>field computing, </em>whatever that may be. He quotes a bizarre finding from the School of Cognitive &amp; Computing Sciences (COGS) group at the University of Sussex. They used an evolutionary approach to develop a network which could perform  a certain task, and then deleted the nodes which weren&#8217;t playing any part in the the final network.  Weirdly, they found that one of the essential nodes was not actually connected to anything; yet removing it made the network stop working; put it back and the network worked again. They concluded that electromagnetic coupling must be playing a part. Of course electromagnetic effects in a field-programmable gate array (the equipment used by COGS) are not particularly likely to be anything like electromagnetic effects in the radically different physical substrate of neuronal tissue, but it does illustrate the general principle.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t see that there are particularly good reasons to say that the EM field is the home of consciousness. For one thing consciousness is full of very complex content: while I can easily see how that complexity could be encoded in the fantastically complex patterns of neuron firing which go on in the cortex, it&#8217;s harder to think that the EM field has a sufficiently elaborate structure. My consciousness is (in places) quite sharply defined and multi-layered, whereas a EM field seems more likely to provide a misty general glow. Perhaps the neurons provide the content and the EM field the subjectivity?</p>
<p>But one thing McFadden&#8217;s theory cannot be is a solution to the &#8216;Hard Problem&#8217; of subjective experience; his electromagnetic consciousness is playing a vital functional role in the operation of the brain, whereas qualia, strictly defined, have no causal effects. So much the worse for the theory of qualia, you might think; that just helps show that Dennett was right and the whole business of qualia is nonsensical. However, Sue Pockett, whose electromagnetic theory of consciousness is a kind of cousin of McFadden&#8217;s, has <a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/?p=1296" target="_blank">jumped the other way </a>on this, accepting that her own electromagnetic consciousness is epiphenomenal: it is produced by the brain but doesn&#8217;t in turn produce any effects of its own; consciousness is a mere observer. This enables her to stay in the game so far as the Hard Problem is concerned, but of course it lands her with a different set of problems.</p>
<p>Perhaps in another eight years things will look very different &#8211; I rather hope so.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard J R Miles has kindly provided the text of a short speech he prepared for a CFA: AISB workshop on the emergence of consciousness Emergence of consciousness and the Soul.              My Hypothesis.                                            Trees and flowers do not need to evolve a brain, everything they require is taken care of by their environment. The sea [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/correspondent.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1061" alt="correspondent" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/correspondent.gif" width="200" height="188" /></a>Richard J R Miles has kindly provided the text of a short speech he prepared for a <a href="http://extranet.smuc.ac.uk/events-conferences/CBET-events/emergence-of-consciousness-workshop/Pages/default.aspx" target="_blank">CFA: AISB workshop</a> on the emergence of consciousness</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Emergence of consciousness and the Soul.             </strong></p>
<p><strong>My Hypothesis.                                           </strong></p>
<p>Trees and flowers do not need to evolve a brain, everything they require is taken care of by their environment. The sea squirt digests its brain when no longer required, which shows the economics of nature. Bodies evolve without brains, not vice-versa.</p>
<p>Often when the mind is discussed, the body is taken as such a banal subject that it does not get considered much, if at all. For me this is completely wrong, as I hope to explain with my hypothesis. Looking at the brain without considering the body is like trying to understand an electronic control unit without knowing what it is connected to.</p>
<p>Some creatures do not need much of a brain to survive in their environment, as they are moved around by the tide, wind, light or dark. The environment aids their survival. Their brain being operated by their body senses send the required action.</p>
<p>Some creatures needed to evolve a more complex brain for the 3 F’s, but this came at a cost. A large brain needs more fuel to run and maintain. A way to conserve energy was evolved, so part of the brain and body could be used when necessary, and relaxed when not. This proved to be more advantageous for their environmental survival. More beneficial than a less capable brain running 24/7. This improvement was achieved by a natural division of the nervous system in the body and brain. These are the autonomic and somatic nervous systems. It is the interaction between these two nervous systems which form the basis of my hypothesis, which combined with our dexterity has allowed us to evolve as we are.</p>
<p>Obviously I did not discover these two nervous systems, but I hope to show how their two feedback loops cause physical duality interaction of the body and brain, essentially the mind.</p>
<p>The autonomic nervous system is unconscious, to and from both the body and brain, which functions 24/7 and is the main control of our internal existence, a large part of our body and brain keeping us alive, as it has done since before we were born.</p>
<p>The somatic nervous system is the conscious to and from both the body and brain, and is the means of controlling and managing actions in the outside world to keep us alive.</p>
<p>The unconscious autonomic nervous system is indirectly connected, interacts, affects and effects the conscious somatic nervous system and vice-versa. Our conscious manages the somatic action in the environment and decides to act or not, assisted by, and sometimes urged by, the unconscious autonomic nervous system.  It is this dual interaction of essentially different parts of the nervous spectrum that complement each other making a formidable partnership that is the basis of my hypothesis and is how we are.</p>
<p>Our soul is simply our conscious inability to understand our unconscious activity.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2013 17:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This paper  by Pais-Vieira, Lebedev, Kunicki, Wang, and Nicolelis has attracted a great deal of media attention. The BBC described it as ‘literally mind-boggling’. It describes a series of experiments in which the minds of two rats were apparently melded to act as one. Or does it? One rat, the ‘encoder’ was given a choice [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/rats.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-1348 alignleft" alt="rats" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/rats.gif" width="202" height="113" /></a>This <a title="min-meld rats" href="http://www.nature.com/srep/2013/130228/srep01319/full/srep01319.html" target="_blank">paper</a>  by Pais-Vieira, Lebedev, Kunicki, Wang, and Nicolelis has attracted a great deal of media attention. The BBC described it as ‘literally mind-boggling’. It describes a series of experiments in which the minds of two rats were apparently melded to act as one.</p>
<p>Or does it? One rat, the ‘encoder’ was given a choice of levers to push – left or right (in some cases a more rat-friendly nose-activated switch was used instead of a lever). If it selected the correct one when cued, it got a reward in form of a few drops of water (it seems even lab rats are not getting the rewards they used to these days). Some of the rats learned to pick the right lever in 95% of cases and these went on to the next stage where the patterns of activation from their sensorimotor cortex as they pushed the right lever were picked up and transmitted.</p>
<p>Meanwhile ‘decoder’ rats had been fitted with similar brain implants and trained to respond to a series of impulses delvered in the same sensorimotor area by pressing the right lever. In this training stage they were not receiving impulses from another rat, just an artificially produced stream of blips. This phase of training apparently took about 45 days.</p>
<p>Finally, the two rats were joined up and lo: the impulses recorded from the ‘encoder&#8217; rat, once delivered to the brain of the ‘decoder’ rat, enabled it to hit the right lever with up to 70% accuracy (you could get 50% from random pressing, of course, but it’s still a significant improvement in performance). In one pointless variation, the encoder and decoder rats were in different labs thousands of miles apart; so what? Are we still amazed that electrical signals can be transmitted over long distances?</p>
<p>A couple of other aspects of the experiments seem odd to me. They did not have a control experiment where the signals went to a different part of the decoder rat’s cortex, so we can’t tell whether the use of the particular areas they settled on was significant. Second, they provided the encoder rat with incentives: it got water only when the decoder rat got it right. What was that meant to achieve, apart from making the encoder rat’s life slightly worse than it already was? In essence, it encourages the encoder rat to develop effective signals: to step up the clarity and strength of the neural signals it was sending out. That may have helped to make the experiment a success, but it also detracts from any claim that what was being sent was normal neural activity.</p>
<p>So, what have we got, overall? Really, nothing to speak of. We’re encouraged to think that the decoder rat was hearing the encoder’s thoughts, or feeling its inclinations, or something of the kind, but there’s clearly a much simpler explanation baked into the experiment: it was simply responding to electric impulses of a kind that it had already been trained to respond to (for 45 days, which must be the rat equivalent of post-doctorate levels of lever-pushing knowledge).</p>
<p>Given the lengthy training and selection of the rats, I don’t think a 70% success rate is that amazing: it seems clear that they could have got a better rate if, instead of inserting precise neural connections, they had simply clipped an electrode to the decoder rat’s left ear.</p>
<p>There’s no evidence here of direct transmission of cognitive content: the simple information transferred is delivered via the association already trained into the ‘decoder’. There’s no decoding, and no communication in rat mentalese.</p>
<p>The discussion in the paper ends with the following remarkable proposition.</p>
<blockquote><p> …in theory, channel accuracy can be increased if instead of a dyad a whole grid of multiple reciprocally interconnected brains are employed. Such a computing structure could define the first example of an organic computer capable of solving heuristic problems that would be deemed non-computable by a general Turing-machine. Future works will elucidate in detail the characteristics of this multi-brain system, its computational capabilities, and how it compares to other non-Turing computational architectures…</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I’m boggling now.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been reading about the Brain Preservation Foundation (BPF), which hopes that chemical and other methods, including a refined version of plastination, will enable brains to be preserved with such fidelity that memories, personality, and even identity can be preserved. This may well seem reminiscent of the older cryogenic preservation projects which have not [...]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/cricket.gif"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1337" title="Tithonus" src="http://www.consciousentities.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/cricket.gif" alt="Tithonus" width="250" height="140" /></a>I have been reading about the <a href="http://brainpreservation.org/" target="_blank">Brain Preservation Foundation</a> (BPF), which hopes that chemical and other methods, including a refined version of plastination, will enable brains to be preserved with such fidelity that memories, personality, and even identity can be preserved.</p>
<p>This may well seem reminiscent of the older cryogenic preservation projects which have not always had a good press over recent years, though they still continue to operate and indeed have refined their processes somewhat. But although the BPF also has a vision of bringing people back to life after their natural death, it is in many ways a different kettle of fish. It does not itself offer any kind of service but merely seeks to promote research, and it does not expect to see a practical system for many years. In addition, it makes its case and addresses objections in a commendably clear and thoughtful way &#8211; see for example this <a href="http://eversmarterworld.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/preserving-the-self-for-later-emulation-what-brain-features-do-we-need/" target="_blank">blog post</a> by John M Smart, co-founder of the BPF. Perhaps this is partly also to do with its impressive panel of<a href="http://brainpreservation.org/content/advisors" target="_blank"> advisors</a>, which includes such names as Chalmers, Seung, and Eagleman, to mention only a few.</p>
<p>I have some reservations about the project, which fall into several categories; there are general concerns about the practicality of preservation, doubts about personal identity, and doubts about the claimed social value of letting people have a prolonged or renewed life; but there are positive factors, too.</p>
<p>There are clearly a lot of technical issues involved in preserving a brain (often said to  be the most complex object in the universe) in all its detail, most of which I&#8217;m not competent to assess.  I think the main general practical issue (if this counts as practical) is that although you might get a quite different impression from the popular press, we still don&#8217;t really have a really clear idea of how the brain works &#8211; so in preserving it it&#8217;s hard to know whether we&#8217;re getting the right features. Clearly we would want the neuronal structure preserved in fine detail; but we keep finding out more about such matters as the incredibly complex sets of neurotransmitters that make the system work, about electrical interactions, and about the actual and possible role of astrocytes. If we&#8217;re optimistic we may feel we&#8217;re close to a working picture, but then we felt like that about genetics until the human genome was sequenced, and it&#8217;s now becoming increasingly clear that we didn&#8217;t know the half of it. Even without considering whether there might after all be something in the Penrose/Hameroff theory of unknown quantum mechanics operating in microtubules, or in similar ideas from outside the mainstream, there is a lot to think about. Of course the BPF can justly say that it is well aware of these issues , that  they only reinforce the need for more research, and that working on preservation could well be a good way of pushing that research forward.</p>
<p>I think it’s conceivable that there are also problems waiting to be discovered at a deeper level and that the brain can&#8217;t <em>even theoretically</em> be &#8216;frozen&#8217; in working shape &#8211; particularly if mental activity turns out to be inherently dynamic. This could happen in a couple of general ways.  First, the brain could be like a zero-gravity box full of bouncing and colliding balls. You can&#8217;t halt the activity in such a box and restart at an arbitrary point: you have to start at the point where the balls were thrown in. Second, the brain could be like the old astronomical clocks which were geared together in such a way that they could not be reset; if they ever ran down and stopped, the only way to put them right again was to rebuild them. If either of these issues affects the brain, then it could not be restarted from its state at the last moment of consciousness, but only from some earlier state which might be a few minutes back, a few weeks, or in the worst case, the moment of birth! Now most of us would not mind losing just the last few minutes of our life if it meant we could then live on indefinitely, but even if that&#8217;s all it amounts to, recreating that earlier viable state from the later one we had preserved might be extremely difficult &#8211; if that&#8217;s the game we&#8217;re in.</p>
<p>The good news on that is that all the empirical evidence suggests there is no such problem. People have come back from states in which brain activity had apparently run down very close to zero without any major long-term problem: so we can probably afford to be optimistic that a stopped brain is not a dead brain <em>ipso facto</em>.</p>
<p>More of a problem (perhaps) is the BPF’s hope that preserving the brain might preserve personal identity. The philosophical literature on personal identity stretches back many centuries and I seem to remember that my own earlier self had some sophisticated views on it. As an undergraduate I think I developed a kind of morphic neo-nominalist position which dealt with <em>nearly</em> all the issues; but over the years I have become a caveman and my position now is more or less:  <em>see this?</em> <em>this rock </em><em>–</em><em> rock is rock </em><em>–</em><em> what your problem</em>? To put it another way I think brute physical identity is essential to personal identity.</p>
<p>I’m aware, of course, that the atoms and molecules of our body are constantly changing – but so what? Why should we think reality resides at the most micro level? Those particles barely have identities themselves; they’re more than half-way towards being mere mathematical constructions. People always say there’s a good chance we’re all breathing the odd molecule of oxygen that was once in the nostrils of Julius Caesar, but how would we know? Can you label a molecule? Can you recognise one? Can you even track where it goes? If I put three on a packing case, can you pick out the one you chose earlier? Isn&#8217;t it part of the deal that two protons have <em>identical</em> attributes, apart from their spatial co-ordinates? They&#8217;re not so much things as <em>loci</em>. Does talking about <em>the same/different molecule</em>, then, mean anything much? No, reality does not reside exclusively at the molecular level and I rest my case instead on the physical identity of certain neural structures, irrespective of their particle content. We are those critical neurons, I think.</p>
<p>Now you might think that the BPF is off to a flying start with me here, because instead of proposing to upload my mind onto magnetic media, they’re aiming to preserve the echt physical neurons. But I do not think they are optimistic about the prospects of literally restarting the self-same set of neurons: rather they adopt a ‘patternist’ view in which it’s the functional pattern of your mind that carries your identity. I doubt that: for one thing it seems to mean there could be as many of you as there are copies of the pattern. However, the strange thing is, I don&#8217;t think the majority of people will actually care: rightly or wrongly they&#8217;ll be just as happy with the prospect of a twin &#8211; really a kind of hyper-twin, far more like you than any real-life twin &#8211; as they would be with their own identity. Hey, they&#8217;ll say, I&#8217;m not really the same person I used to be ten years ago anyway, any more than you are the same person as that callow young morphic ne0-nominalist. Perhaps when we are in the unprecedented situation of being able to copy ourselves our conception of identity must naturally change and loosen, though as we ontologists say, the idea certainly gives me the willies.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another deep problem in becoming immortal: I might run out. As it is, old people sometimes seem to repeat themselves or get stuck in a groove. Perhaps there comes a natural point when really you&#8217;ve said and thought everything important you&#8217;re ever going to say and think, and any further lifespan is just going to be increasingly stale repetition. Perhaps the price of acquiring a really fresh lot of mental plasticity is, frankly, being a new person. I have once or twice met older people who, while fit and mentally agile, seemed to feel that the job of their life was basically complete, and while they didn&#8217;t specially want to die, there wasn&#8217;t really that much detaining them any more, either. It&#8217;s a common observation, moreover, that old people sometimes seem to repeat themselves or get stuck in a groove.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know how far the idea of people &#8216;running out&#8217; is true or how far failing memory and appetite for fresh exploration might simply be the product of waning vigour and physical energy, of a kind the BPF might hope to rectify (if rectification is the appropriate term). However, it does seem likely that even if it were true different people would run out at different stages, and probably few of us have completely exhausted our potential by the time we&#8217;ve done three score and ten.  George Bernard Shaw took the view that three hundred years would be about the optimum lifespan, and it does feel like a comfortable benchmark: so even if there are natural limits to how far we should go on, it might be good to have the option of another couple of centuries.</p>
<p>That brings us on to the social benefits which the BPF suggests might accrue from having older minds around. They suggest that these older minds would be liberal and enlightened, and a force for progress, [Correction: John M. Smart has very courteously pointed out that the BPF doesn't suggest this at all. I don't quite know where I picked up the idea from, but I apologise for the error] which seems to fly in the face of many generations of experience, which is that old people tend to be increasingly conservative. Old scientists whose theories have been refuted don&#8217;t usually give them up: they merely die in due course, still protesting that they were right, and make way for a new generation.</p>
<p>If one comes from a culture that reveres certain ancestors, the the prospect of being able, as it were, to bring back Benjamin Franklin to put the Supreme Court right on a couple of points about the Constitution might look pretty appealing; but how many subjects are the oldies going to be experts on?  You may think now that you&#8217;re a pretty hip grandpa for understanding Facebook: in fifty years, are you going to have any grasp at all of what&#8217;s going on in a society mediated by electronic transactions on systems that haven&#8217;t even been conceived of yet?</p>
<p>The good news here is that if the BPF is right, future generations will be able to take the old people out and put them away again as required like library books. Your future life may turn out to be a series of disconnected episodes several hundred years apart. You may find yourself now and then waking up in worlds where your senatorial views on certain matters are valued, but don&#8217;t count on having the vote, if such a thing still exists in recognisable form.</p>
<p>All in all, it can&#8217;t be bad to reward research, and it certainly can&#8217;t be bad to think about the issues, which the BPF also does a good job on, so I wish them plenty of luck and success.</p>
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